07-6-2011 at 11:08 PM

Well, its the moderators jobs to moderate, and if they wouldn't be up to moderating chat, why the hell are they moderators? Plain laziness if you ask me.<br /> <br /> But I'm done. People clearly don't care about what I'm posting because they are failing to read it.

07-6-2011 at 10:52 PM

Nitrous's reasons for continually pointing out that the people not supporting the chat are the ones who don't participate is because they won't be the ones affected by the chat in the case it was ever implemented. I thought that was fairly obvious.<br /> <br /> Either way, though, I guess it's not happening...so I'll stop bombarding your inbox, Twin.

07-6-2011 at 6:30 PM

Ok, I get it. It won't ever be added to Ala. >.&lt; It was just a suggestion.

07-6-2011 at 6:25 PM

I have participated in debates before but I'm not that great with words and in the last few months after reading everthing that's been said I'm just at a lost for words. So i just read and keep an eye on things, and message players when things have gotten out of hand and noone has delt with it yet (which lately its usually taken care of by the time i get to it because of my crazy work and school schedule lately)<br /> <br /> <br /> <i>"I've been here for over a year. And the mods are what are ruining this site, like I've said a million times, because they only take into consideration what they want."</i><br /> <br /> I've been here for over a year also and personally its how people treat each other especially the staff that's ruining the site. We don't only take into consideration what we want, if that was the case a lot of things wouldn't exist and polls wouldn't be taken etc etc etc...<br<br><br> People make the choice to go to debate forums or not, how would there be a forum change that? If you would like more people participating maybe advertise it some in the shout box.

07-6-2011 at 6:23 PM

Why is the base for your argument always coming back to whether or not the none supporters participate in debate forum? I have from time to time, and stopped because of the general hostility and passive aggressive attacks people threw at each other. Fleet mentioned why she doesn't post in the debate forum, that doesn't mean she isn't reading them and has a clear idea of how those end up. <br /> <br /> A chat is going to move quick, with short heated remarks, rather than a thought out reply a debate deserves. THAT is what our problem with a chat is. The mods are another thing entirely. It has nothing to do with being lazy, we just don't see the need to have a mod constantly watching a chat that is going to be getting snarky left and right. <br /> <br /> This is a perfect example of what happens on Alacrity when someone disagrees, now imagine this in a chat with more people and everyone typing faster to get their word in and not thinking first.<br /> <br /> I will be highly surprised if a debate chat is ever added to Alacrity.

07-6-2011 at 6:13 PM

Because the opposition is generally coming from people who do not participate in debate and who have no logic other than to cover for mod laziness.

07-6-2011 at 6:11 PM

No, Fleet! :| There's nothing lse to say, and I'm tired of getting messages for this foum post! :U

07-6-2011 at 6:10 PM

Wow. I must be trolling myself then, because it wasn't my intention. I don't like being told that I have no right to speak. So yes, I'm going to defend my reasoning. xD I'm more confused as to why you're making such a big deal about it when all people did was 'not support'. But whatever. This was fun. I had fun. How was it for you? /insert sleepy stretch and mussed hair.

07-6-2011 at 6:08 PM

I don't see a point of debating this if you're going to troll. What I believe is that people who don't participate in the forum, who are so violently against chat, won't be participating. So why do you care?

07-6-2011 at 6:03 PM

So is that a silent way of saying 'get out if you don't agree'? xDD <br /> <br /> I keed, I keed.

07-6-2011 at 6:02 PM

........ *coughs*

07-6-2011 at 6:00 PM

Because we're being called out for disagreeing. I think we have the right to explain our reasons.

07-6-2011 at 5:58 PM

Ugh. >.&lt; Why are you guys arguing over your own opinions? :|

07-6-2011 at 5:54 PM

Whether they've participated in the debates or not, I don't see why it's an issue. Goodness knows I'm assuming those who are participating in this thread have gone to the debate forum and read at least one thread there. I know I have. But a good many of them might not post. Because they don't like what they see. Which I still don't see a problem with, in terms of objecting the idea of a chat solely for debate. <br /> <br /> I didn't say they'd participated. I said anyone can go and read the threads. xDD<br /> <br /> A lot of things sound like a lot of things to you, I've noticed. I'd think they'd be thinking more in terms of an effective modding of something like that. With threads, you can check back-posts, see things in-context. If a mod stumbles in, in the middle of a 'debate' in the chat, there's little context to go on at times. <br /> <br /> I'm not shooting myself in the foot there? You're not the only person who apparently has problems with the debate forum. So thanks for grabbing that gun and taking a shot at my feetsies. xD Apparently the reason for this thread would be something unsatisfactory about the debate forum in general, right? So, sorry, but you're not the only one I was referencing. xDD &lt;3<br /> <br /> I liked that before it was edited, bby. That was good.

07-6-2011 at 5:35 PM

"So. You're saying that everyone who disagrees with this idea hasn't ever taken part IN a debate? Or just in the site's debates? "<br /> <br /> Either, both. It isn't relevant. Your "real life" debating has nothing to do with the forums. How is it going to be different, in any case? I know I can speak a lot faster than I can type. Why is it going to be so hard to moderate, hmm?<br /> <br /> I know for a fact that many nay sayers haven't participated in debate. Because, you know, I was there a lot. It isn't <i>because</i> they disagree. It's because it's fact.<br /> <br /> And I think it's sad either way that it would come down to being about how "difficult" it will be for the mods. Sounds like laziness to me. It's a volunteer position. If they don't like it, I'm sure there are many others who would gladly take their place. <br /> <br /> "And if it's not being moderated to your standards, why not stop using it and organize debates on other sites?"<br /> <br /> Well, see now, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Because if you watched the forum yourself, you'd know that's exactly what I've done. I haven't participated in debate for weeks now. <br /> <br /> To be honest, I don't think you have a right to speak of my actions because you don't seem to know anything about them..

07-6-2011 at 5:25 PM

So. You're saying that everyone who disagrees with this idea hasn't ever taken part IN a debate? Or just in the site's debates? Because either way, I'm not seeing the point. Anyone can go read the threads, and anyone can see that, chat or not, there will be the same people going in, making a ruckus, and riling people up. :3<br /> <br /> "The forums have already been handled completely improperly."<br /> I'm sorry, what?<br /> How will a chat be any better? A forum's easier to moderate, I'd bet, than chat. And if it's not being moderated to your standards, why not stop using it and organize debates on other sites? Because from what I've seen, the mods WOULD have to go through nearly every post and usually could point out several times someone is getting a little too close to a personal attack. Reading one earlier, someone was mentioning that thinking in a way that their own opinion didn't lie was 'insane'. That's not debating. That's inappropriate. <br /> <br /> <br /> :3 But I really think the ones who are out to argue are fun to watch. Because they keep saying the same thing and refuse to read any posts disagreeing with them. =x But that's just in their argumentative nature, it seems like. Even if standard debate teams, occasionally.

07-6-2011 at 5:18 PM

Again. If anyone took the time to <i>read</i>...<br /> <br /> The same three or four players are the only ones using it. The forums have already been handled completely improperly. <br /> <br /> What <i>I</i> don't understand is why people who have never in their lives touched the debate forum want to toss out the idea because it's not their prerogative. <br /> <br /> If RP chat had been suggested before it was created, I wouldn't have supported it. But you know what? <i>I wouldn't have done it publicly, because it's not something I take part in. I don't have the right to judge people who find it fun.</i><br /> <br /> Also.<br /> <br /> "It is certainly not the mods' jobs to moderate chat, solely. "<br /> <br /> That was a freaking <b>gem</b>.

07-6-2011 at 5:12 PM

Fleet took the words out of my mouth.

07-6-2011 at 5:12 AM

I'm confused. What, exactly, is wrong with sitting down and actually making a meaningful, well thought out post in the debate forum? <br /> <br /> I've been in class-organized debates. And when there's someone to stay in-between and call out when people are being vindictive, inappropriate, et cetera, it's fine. But that's a pre-organized debate.<br /> <br /> Having a little pop up saying you agree to 'not discuss X, Y, or Z' isn't going to do much for the people who are already coming to ARGUE, not to debate. And between the two there's a very fine line. When someone's feelings get hurt and they get defensive? That's when it turns into an argument. It is certainly not the mods' jobs to moderate chat, solely. Which is what that would entail. Someone would need to be on at all times to effectively moderate a so-called debate chat. :/ Because people would get offended, and the brilliance of a forum is that usually, by the time you're done writing a scathing reply to someone's remark, you may very well have calmed down and delete the entire thing. Alternatively, it's a lot easier to walk away if you can't see the person talking to you still. <br /> <br /> If you're interested in fast-paced debates, why not take it to PMs or scribbles if it's between only a couple people. If it's between more, I sincerely doubt a chat is going to speed up anything aside from more people coming in, giving their one to two word disagreement or agreement, and be gone. Which is effectively useless, and, again, is not a debate. <br /> <br /> So, in short, I do not support. :3

07-6-2011 at 4:46 AM

Would have to agree with Black Fox. I find it highly typical that the people who are opposed to this have either never or rarely participated in the debate forum. <br /> <br /> Or, you know, staff...